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There is a 1991 Upper Deck football set and  2 other parrallal sets.

1990 hologram back  and a 1992 Hologram back.   I must bemissing some thing here.    I have 14 cards the low numbered ones have the words upper deck on it and the higher numered cards has the Upper Decl Logo on them.  I have one player with both (2 cards).

I also have 2 Favre cards and one has the upper deck printed upside down.   Can someone clearify it for me.

And because this comes up every so often, could someone please update the release notes on each of the parallels to let everyone know in the future.  Thanks!

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/S/ID/3278/?MODE=VIEW&ThreadID=7886&C=18

This is a thread that discusses all of the hologram backs. The Upper Deck Diamond logo is the 92 Hologram Back parallel. 

This is poppng up again... by coincidence.

I recently was looking at my hockey cards & noticed that my 1990-91 cards have up to four hologram foil types - the UD "90" design that looks like a jersey #, the Comic Ball "carrots" design, the 3-D "baseball" design, and the flat UD "91" design.

Also, the 1991-92 hockey cards have (at least) two types of foiling - that same UD "91" design & a 91-92 "diamond" UD logo design.

No way of knowing how many of each exist, if at all, for each variation on each card... so at best it's just worth noting in the Comments section of the sets, but not worthy of variant/error status.

...as for upside-down, I think the sheets of foiling have the words UPPER DECK printed in both orientations (right-side-up & up-side-down), so that may just be a matter of where the foil was when it got applied to the card.

I'm getting a headache just thinking about looking to see which versions I have!

I refuse to acknowledge that this is even a thing. Was sick of 91 UD FB well before the high series hit as it was.

I never acknowledge it until I got on this site.   Here there are several 90s sets that shows things like this as separate sets.  I did not know about or cared until now.  Maybe I should just go back to how I was doing it before joining this site.

Before sites like this or even the internet subtle variants like this i didn't (and still don't really) consider a different "set". So if I have a "set" that is 70% one variant and 30% the second variant I will still consider I have a full set, not 2 incomplete sets. I didn't even know there was a difference in the holograms for these sets until it was pointed out on this site. Small subtle variants are enough to drive a collector crazy and the card makers are making things crazer these days with multiple multiples of variants.

I am torn about situations like this. On the one hand as I said I don't consider them separate "sets" but they are variants of the same card so when it comes to marking these cards on a checklist it is best to be as exact as possible. In some ways it is like with collecting say coins you can collect say pennies of each year, and have a complete collection but some of your pennies have the Delaware "D" and some the Philadelphia "P". So sometimes you may have a complete set but the database says you don't.

D mint coins are Denver, not Delaware. If you go back to the 1800s on gold only it stands for Dahlonega, Georgia. Those are pretty rare, I've never seen one in person I don't think. I'm a low level coin collector as well as cards.

I never knew these variations existed before they came up on here. Found at least one in my NBA duplicate stash and need to check the rest, difficult to do as my collection is sorted by person or not at all, depending on the scanning status of the box. Will be a project to do when I finish scanning everything and get the sets back together for the first time since 2004.

I've removed 1990 Topps Football from my wantlist and tradelist for similar issues. I personally don't care if I have a disclaimer back or not. I just want the numbered card of the player in my collection regardless of "disclaimer back" or not. At one time I had my collection of 1990 Topps listed in the database and I thought it was complete.  Then I learned of the differance between the two variations and my OCD made me list them "correctly".

Now neither the disclaimer back nor the non-disclaimer back are complete according to the database. So I had all the missing cards on my wantlist. I then had a 100+ card trade of all 1990 Topps non-disclaimer backs. This would have completed that set for me except the person I traded with did not know that there was such a thing and I was sent a mixture of both variants. Since the database automaticly updates your collection when a trade is complete, this transaction caused me a couple of hours of work going through and fixing the results of the trade. 

I do not blame my trade partner (I've collected Topps Football for over 40 years and I didn't know there was such a thing until a year or two ago.) But,as a result I don't list 1990 topps footbal on any trade list. I don't think I have 1991 UD Football listed either...for that same reason.