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Sportzcommish
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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:22 PM | |
I was updating my Want List when I came across these cards:
It's not the only one like that, Astros pitcher from the '60s Scipio Spinks has two RCs from different years, too. Why is the second year card an RC?
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vrooomed
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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:24 PM | |
The second one is an RC for someone else on the card. The 1978 Topps Dale Murphy is listed as an RC, but it's just not Murphy's RC.
Edit: In fact, the 1973 is Wohlford's and Coggins' RC. And the 1972 is not Cambria's RC, but he has one in 1971!
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spazmatastic
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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:22 PM | |
Exactly the answer I would have given, Dan! I didn't even look up the cards, but I knew that would be the answer. Maybe the info on whose RC it is should be added in Note 2, but I know that would take a long time to complete in most sports.
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Joeyd011
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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:36 PM | |
I always consider the first issued RC the actual rookie card. Thanks for pointing out those players, I have a list of multi-year RC baseball cards and I didn't have those players on it before. It's actually much more common than I thought it would be.
Edited on: Dec 14, 2017 - 3:05PM
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vrooomed
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 7:15 AM | |
Just to clarify, The card may be considered a "RC" but it's really only a Rookie Card for the player (or players) it is a rookie for.
Example: Ron Cey
Ron Cey's Rookie card is 1972 Topps #761 - First MLB card he was ever on.
Ron Cey's second year card is 1973 Topps #615. He happens to share that with Dave (John) Hilton and Mike Schmidt - a rookie card for both of them. So Ron Cey's second year card is marked with "RC", but technically it is not for Cey.
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grote15
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:42 AM | |
I think the most famous is Tony Olivia on the 63 & 64 "Rookie Stars" cards, floating heads, and an ASR rookie card in the 65 set. Now that's 3 "Rookie Cards" but now that I'm reading this thread I get it. Topps must have been limited to how many cards they could produce in a set or something by sneaking in these "rookies" on other cards. Jon Matlack, the great Mets ptcher has a multi-player "rookie" card in the 71 & 72 set as well.
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vrooomed
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:59 AM | |
And just because it says "196x Rookies" or "197x Rookies" or has the Topps All Star Rookie trophy on it doesn't automatically make it a rookie card. So the ONLY Tony Oliva RC is the 1963 card. The 1964 card is Jay Ward's RC, not Oliva's. The 1965 card simply has the trophy on it, and would never be considered a "rookie" card.
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OCHawkeye
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:08 AM | |
The fact that the word "Rookie" or "All Star Rookie" appears on the card doesn't make it a player's RC.
Let's break down Jon Matlack as an example.
1971 Topps has an RC designation on this site. The card features Rich Folkers, Ted Martinez, and Jon Matlack. This is the first Topps appearance for all three of these guys and would be considered each of their rookie cards.
1972 Topps also has an RC designation on this site. The card features Buzz Capra, Leroy Stanton, and Jon Matlack. It is the first Topps appearance for Capra and Stanton and would be considered their rookie cards. It is not the first appearance of Jon Matlack so the "RC" here does not apply to him.
1973 Topps is a card that does include Topps' famous "All Star Rookie" logo, but you notice no "RC" designation for this card. This is not considered to be his rookie card.
Mark McGwire has an ASR logo on his 1988 Topps card despite having cards included in the 1985 and 1987 base sets. The ASR represents that he was an All Star in what was considered by MLB to be his rookie season. In his case, the MLB did not recognize him as losing his rookie eligibility in 1986 because he played in only 18 MLB games. So his 1987 season (represented by his 1988 card) gets to have the ASR logo because he made the All Star team.
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Joeyd011
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 3:16 PM | |
Sure, I always consider a player's first issued RC, their true RC. Just to keep it simple. Then there is the rare case of Carl Yastrzemski, where he has a Topps RC in 1960 and 1961. In both years, he is featured on his very own card.
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OCHawkeye
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Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:02 PM | |
Then by definition the 1961 card is not RC (even though it has the word "Rookie" on it). And would certianly explain why a PSA Mint 9 1960 Topps Yaz went at auction for $37,645 in June 2016 vs a PSA Mint 9 1961 Topps Yaz that sold for $1034 in September 2017.
But don't take my word for it...
https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/baseball-cards/1960-topps/carl-yastrzemski-rookie-star-148/27384
CARL YASTRZEMSKI (ROOKIE STAR) - 1960 TOPPS
This is the only recognized rookie card of this legendary Boston Red Sox outfielder.
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