Card Identification Forum

Ok so here is my card, crappy scan so that in its own right will make it interesting to upload but to the point ............

Graded by Beckett as pretty obvious, It is called "1997 Legends Autographs" and numbered #AL7 ...............

I flip it over it and instantly see AL-7 and when you visit the manufactuer's website they clearly call it "1997 Legends Signatures".

So how in the %^&* does a regular joe like me cope LOL. The card has no descriptives on it anywhere so is it Autographs or Signatures. Sadly I will always side with the people who made it, I know that neither are perfect but more often than not cards have been given names that are so blatently incorrect it hurts. Especially when the name of the card is printed right on it and it is still enetered or refered to something different ...... for example just yesterday I corrected one on TCDB titled "NHL Dual Shields". First I checked you know who and they have it titled "NHL Shields Dual" A bit more research and I decided to choose "Dual NHL Shields" because IT WAS ON THE CARD .......... so to finsih my rant ............ UD, actual card and TCDB (after my correction) are right ........... Beckett on the other hand ........... well ............. =(

So back to where we first started this thread ..... long rant short I'm going with "1997 Legends Signatures" ;)

So, the AL doesn't stand for Autographed Legends?  What does it stand for? And the back of the cards say "autographed by" and "Enjoy your autograph". In my humble opinion "Autographs" seems to be a reasonable/logical name.

I see other insert sets actually have "Signature" or "Autographed" right on the card fronts.

Manufacturer names and advertises it as "Name X".

Hobby publication calls it "Name Y".

Grading company (owned by publication) calls it "Name Y".

Manufacturer sets numbering prefix with letters that actually are closer to what hobby publication calls (just reversed).

The whole thing is just a cluster from the get go.

Cut it out of it's plastic coffin and problem is solved!

So then if we go by the AL shouldn't it be 1997 Autograph(ed) Legends and Beckett chose not to do that  ............. and its nice to see that either a) Beckett has SO much power it can do whatever the heck it chooses or b) that UD themesleves are so LAZY that they cant be bothered to fix / change / correct their own freakin site. Lets use the other set then that I used above to debate it some more ..... it is "numbered" DAS-BR. That should mean Dual Shields Autographs but NOBODY chose that name at all. No wonder everybody just cut and pastes in the first place as 90% of the time it comes back to Beckett anyway ..... I am going soak in my hot tub and have a beer ........ I will be back I promise.

Your a good man Billy!! We had plenty of discussion in the past about these and this my first Ranford I have collected that is slabbed, I will need to decide because there is a glaring hole in binder!!!! BTW the hot tub and the beer was the best 45 minutes all week bar none, just me, the wife and my boy. Its actually raining tonight, spring baby!! Next up Daylight Saving Time. Still perplexed about this stupid set tho! =(

Billy Kingsley wrote: Cut it out of it's plastic coffin and problem is solved!

Sadly, my hot tub is the bath and the beers are cheap, but after a lengthy soak and a few brews I HAVE AN OPINION!!!!  Call it what you want.  A sub set is a sub set.  as long as we all agree on what it is called, who cares right?  Beckett can have their own opinion, Upper Deck can be lazy as all get out, but when it comes right down to it, in my belief, this site has/will become the be all and end all of definitions of card information come the turn of the next decade.  we keep growing, our PR is fantastic, we are user based so populace opinions matter, so who cares that Beckett has it wrong?  Name the set "Upper Deck Effed Up," if you want to :P  If we all agree that this is accurate...we are probably going to be the definitive answer.

That being said, now to something more serious.  lol.  Beckett is a collection of averages.  Upper Deck created the card.  If someone took something from one of my books and "Corrected it..." Multi billion dollar company or average joe... They are wrong.

Your very last sentence is exactly what my wife said Dixxy, thank you for agreeing with someone with no care of Bill Ranford, Upper Deck or Beckett. She simply sat with me in the tub tonight and said one simple statement (clean minds people .... my son was there) "Who made the card? " That's all she said and then we played eye spy with my beautiful little boy!! I have sent a query off to Admin and we will see where it goes. I may get him to read this thread first tho. ;)

Dixxy wrote: Sadly, my hot tub is the bath and the beers are cheap, but after a lengthy soak and a few brews I HAVE AN OPINION!!!!  Call it what you want.  A sub set is a sub set.  as long as we all agree on what it is called, who cares right?  Beckett can have their own opinion, Upper Deck can be lazy as all get out, but when it comes right down to it, in my belief, this site has/will become the be all and end all of definitions of card information come the turn of the next decade.  we keep growing, our PR is fantastic, we are user based so populace opinions matter, so who cares that Beckett has it wrong?  Name the set "Upper Deck Effed Up," if you want to :P  If we all agree that this is accurate...we are probably going to be the definitive answer. That being said, now to something more serious.  lol.  Beckett is a collection of averages.  Upper Deck created the card.  If someone took something from one of my books and "Corrected it..." Multi billion dollar company or average joe... They are wrong.

And apparently card companies don't know the difference between a signature and an autograph. Simple terms, an autograph is an artistic signature that has "status" and is not legally binding.

A signature is legally binding. You don't "autograph" a legal document. Famous people sign contracts with their legal signature and sign stuff for fans with their autograph. And the smart ones know to keep the two different.

I never knew that. All this time I thought they were synonyms.