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Billy Kingsley
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Sunday, March 6, 2016 2:58 PM | |
This is not a card I can't identify...but it is a card that I don't know which scan should be posted. In 1996-97 this insert was issued which was made up of a card that pulls out of the main card. It is permanently attached. I have three of these waiting to be posted, scanned in full, but I am not sure which scan I should post. I am seeking thoughts from the Database family. My gut feeling is the scan on the right, with the card pulled out, but I wish to recieve some input first. Thanks!
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C2Cigars
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Sunday, March 6, 2016 3:05 PM | |
Skybox did this in 1996 with a football set called Thunder and Lightning. Both cards are listed separately, the holder card and the inserted card. One was noted as Thunder and the other Lightning.
So I'd say we'd definitely want the full pulled out card. And maybe have Admin require pulled-out scans on these and the hockey set.
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Lea DeFoote
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Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:15 PM | |
My vote is for the pulled out one.
-Tom
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captkirk42
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Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:09 PM | |
Showing the full thing is fine and dandy, but what about for when these type of pull-out cards are "unpopped"? I'd say if there is no picture of a card and someone submits a "closed" copy the admin should still allow the "closed" one until an open scan can be posted.
For similar sets I really wish that all of the 1950s Red Man Baseball sets had scans with the tabs.True more of the population of cards out there had their tabs cut off long ago, but there are still many full intact with tabs around and that is their original form.
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C2Cigars
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Monday, March 7, 2016 4:35 AM | |
I've been replacing a lot of the 1950s Red Man with full cards (tabs). Especially, 1952 where all the card info was on the tab.
captkirk42 wrote:
Showing the full thing is fine and dandy, but what about for when these type of pull-out cards are "unpopped"? I'd say if there is no picture of a card and someone submits a "closed" copy the admin should still allow the "closed" one until an open scan can be posted.
For similar sets I really wish that all of the 1950s Red Man Baseball sets had scans with the tabs.True more of the population of cards out there had their tabs cut off long ago, but there are still many full intact with tabs around and that is their original form.
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ThreeLions
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Monday, March 7, 2016 6:01 AM | |
I have an Austin Kearns autograph card that does this too. Now I know which way to scan the front do we do the same for the reverse (even if it is just blank for the pull out part)?
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captkirk42
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Monday, March 7, 2016 7:13 AM | |
Thanks.
In Red mans case maybe the untabbed ones should be listed as a parallel set? Even though technically it was just one set, but over the years has become two types of sets. Some folks only collect the Tabbed ones others only the untabbed. Me I'll take either. I prefer the ones with tabs and of my meager 4 or 5 I have all but one have the tab.
C2Cigars wrote: I've been replacing a lot of the 1950s Red Man with full cards (tabs). Especially, 1952 where all the card info was on the tab.
captkirk42 wrote:
Showing the full thing is fine and dandy, but what about for when these type of pull-out cards are "unpopped"? I'd say if there is no picture of a card and someone submits a "closed" copy the admin should still allow the "closed" one until an open scan can be posted.
For similar sets I really wish that all of the 1950s Red Man Baseball sets had scans with the tabs.True more of the population of cards out there had their tabs cut off long ago, but there are still many full intact with tabs around and that is their original form.
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I collect: Baseball, Football, Hockey, Mostly Vintage pre1980, My Homie teams - Washington/Baltimore Teams Senators (Twins, Rangers), Expos/Nationals, Redskins, Capitals, Bullets/Wizards - HOFers - Non-sport (mostly TV shows and movies). My Trade List is very much a work in progress CaptKirk42s Trading Card Blog Curly W Cards Strive For '65 YouTube klandersen42
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Lea DeFoote
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Tuesday, March 8, 2016 9:47 AM | |
Regarding comments on the original topic card, I would say that if the pull-out section is blank on the back, then the back scan should be made with the section not pulled out.
There are many instances of card sets issued where the card is intended to be 'modified' by the end user. I'm assuming that the pictured 1950s Red Man cards were issued with the intent that the tab be removed (for one reason or another). I would advocate for separate listings for the original "whole" cards and the "popped" ones, if for no other reason than to be able to have an accurate listing in members' want and trade lists. Maybe the 1950s Red Man cards aren't the best example to illustrate my reasoning with since the ones with the tabs are mint and ripped ones could be noted as such in the comment field in trade lists. But there are some card-within-a-card sets, or cards issued with a 'protective film' on the front where you don't know which card or parallel version you have until the card is popped or peeled. For these cards particularly, I think the as-pack-pulled condition should have a separate listing from the 'used' versions.
-Tom
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vrooomed
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Tuesday, March 8, 2016 9:50 AM | |
Has anyone thought to ask Admin?
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CluelessJoe
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Tuesday, March 8, 2016 10:07 AM | |
Asking Admin would take all of the fun out of the debate (but of course is the right way to go)
I have a question that I was going to ask Admin, but will ask here first since it is somewhat related. It regards what to do with cards that came with a seperate COA card. For example, the 6 Swatch and 8 Swatch cards from the 2009 UD Ballpark 500 Club insert sets don't have a traditional "back" of the card since it used both sides to get all of the GU on the card. The traditional "back" info with COA and team logos is on the back of the seperate COA card and the front of it has a large holograph with serial number that matches a smaller one on the card. Should a seperate card be created in the checklist for these cards?
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