1990 Best Jacksonville Expos Baseball Forum

Couple of points:

1 - When thoughtful constructive criticism regarding a process that has some flaws is followed up with something that could be a viable solution, that is not a bash-fest, or any other B****-fest. It's simply trying to find a better way. That's pretty much the model this site has been following since the day it started, improvements all the time.

2 - Yes, the top point-earning members have done a lot for the site. A few crooked scans, or swiped from the net isn't the worst thing in the world. However, since technology has improved over time, scanning should improve as well. If you look at certain members more recent contributions, you can see whether they have improved with the technology. Unfortunately, one that I investigated has not. (Already had dialog with Admin about that one, no more needs to be done or said about that.) I know I have noticed my scans have improved a ton since when I started. And if I see any scans I did that are really bad, I will replace them.

3 - How bad is bad? I know we have done our fair share (and some more than others) of complaining, but how "bad" are some of these images we're complaining about? Slightly crooked? A little bit of a black line on a couple edges? Washed out? In many (maybe most) of these cases, if it wasn't for those that were posted here, they wouldn't be here at all. And as long as the cards are mostly straight, those edges can be cropped (as cnangle mentioned). Let's not lose sight of the intent of the website - is it to have pristine scans in high-def of every card or sample imges of the cards to assist in identifying what you have to track it in a database?

4 - No one followed up my post from the bottom of page 1 that suggested a method for getting better scans on the site in a more automated (no Admin intervention) process. I'm sure there are ways to improve that. I would like to present something to Admin to see if it's feasible and something worth implementing.

5 - This should easily be the last thread about specific bad scans. Generally, they are not productive, and just make certain members get upset with other certain members. Which is a shame, because I am in dialogue with members on both sides, and they are all very, VERY nice people who are very important to the hobby and this site. I will continue to reintroduce the "Welcome New Members" thread every so often. In there, we can remind members about good scanning practices.

6 - Enjoy the hobby, enjoy this site.

1990 Best Jacksonville Expos scans all look really good now. 

Someone fixed them for you gb24, they should get some credit for that for sure.

I re-scanned them all, but then got a private email from Vroomed where he said the rescans are "still not good enough".  Maybe I should quit scanning ?   Yes I think I will.

They ARE better, but they still are not properly cropped and at least one is crooked, and I only looked at two cards in the set. Correcting both of those flaws takes literally 2 seconds per image. A definite improvement for sure. But still a little way to go before totally correct. 

We aren't trying to make you stop scanning. We are trying to make it right the first time so neither you nor anyone else has to go in and correct it later. Don't you think the time spent rescanning and reposting these could have been better spent doing something else? Like scanning something that has never been scanned, sorting cards, etc.

Ok, if you want to make it public, yes, I sent a message stating that the Trainer and Team cards were the only 2 that I saw where the front and back meet the guidelines set forth by Admin. When I saw scans like the rest of the set in the queue, I had asked Admin directly, accept or reject, and the answer was - reject them.

As Billy stated, they are better than what was there, but they do not meet the guidelines.

The front of this one is not straight.
Front and back of this one are both bad.
Back of this one is terribly cropped (and the front is croooked).
Crooked and poorly cropped front on this one.

I think that pretty much gives you an idea of what I'm seeing when I look at the "improved" scans.

I'm not asking you to stop submitting scans, but I will ask you to pause and ask yourself "Do I really want my name associated with these scans and this level of carelessness?"

Although, I don't know if it's carelessness or not. But the fact that you read my message, and chose to ignore my request to keep this off the boards (I will gladly post the exact contents here, if that's what you want), and took it public shows that apparently you want to say that you don't give a damn about the rules and guidelines. I did ask you in the private message:

What do you use to scan your cards? Do you use anything to straighten the scans?

Apparently, you don't use anything to straighten them out. Do you not care? Do you not know how? Do you actually think scans like the front of this one is acceptable with parts of the lettering cut off?

And it's vrooomed - 3 o's.