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Sunday, February 24, 2019

Year: 1911

Set: American Tobacco Company Heroes of History / Men of History (T68) - Pan Handle Scrap (Rate)

Card: #NNO W. H. Harrison


“ Oh wow. I really like this card. ” -switzr1

“ The president with the shortest term in office. Awesome card! ” -IfbBirdsCards

“ With apologies to Chad, the T68 name was NOT made by the card company, has nothing to do with the cards, and should not be part of the official name of the set on the Database. We are taking made up numbers made up by a single person, but yet we take great steps to not copy the made up stuff by a different guy. Putting that in the title would be just the same if I assigned a number to each card in my collection (which I do) BUT changing the Database to match. ” -Billy Kingsley

“ WOW! I had no idea cards like this existed. 1911!! ” -cjjt

“ I have "We Are the Mediocre Presidents" stuck in my head now. "I died in thirty days!" ” -AirPete

“ Not familiar with this series. Nice card. ” -kirkscards

“ "I died in thirty days!" ” -Gapporin

“ Tippecanoe! Shortest POTUS tenure ever. ” -stevejrogers

“ Cool Vintage Non-sport. Very nice specimen as well for a 108 year old card. ” -captkirk42

“ Really cool card. ” -Duke

“ Scan by ‘cnangle’. ” -Kirbythedodger


Additional Comments

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mzentko

Posts: 2469
Joined: Jun 2012
Monday, February 25, 2019 11:06 AM

nice job chad, I agree

I need the T215 or E98 in the title, as many times when I am searching for a checklist, I only have that reference.

in another group, they post thinks for sale or trade like this:

 

T215 for sale

smith

jones

nangle

E98 for sale

bottomley

dean

 

that is all the info (other than the price)- first come, first serve..so quick info is helpful

mark

 


   

Billy Kingsley

Posts: 7512
Joined: Aug 2011
Monday, February 25, 2019 11:35 AM

Apparantly only some of what I write is being read. Shocker...I think most people would actually be happier if I never existed in the first place. It's never stopped me from living my life before and I will continue to fight for truth and facts as long as I am capable...even if I am the only one who cares.

Beckett and Burdick are both men who wrote books about cards. That is a FACT, not opinion or conjecture. It says nothing of the personality, intentions or end results of their work. It's an inarguable fact that they both wrote books and we use one but not the other. 

Topps didn't put their name on cards or packs either in the early years; it's not germane to this topic, as we have not changed history on them. 

When I joined the Database, 90% of non-sports sets were not listed. Even modern and 90s sets. The completed sets gallery was 7 sets. Not pages, sets! Guess who spent a few months listing them and posting as many checklists as possible? (Including Heroes of History/Men of History) It was me. I freely admit I do not have as much knowledge of them as others, or even as much as I would like to have. But my passion for them is as high or higher than any of the sports I also collect. Even though history has shown that my opinion matters less than other people's- I'm still going to give it. 

Billy Kingsley wrote:

Please note that I am not saying this information should not be here, I'm saying it should not be in the set title. Trivia, Release Notes, some other location that doesn't exist yet...I'm all for that. But to change not only history, but  also how this Database has always worked, is wrong, and there's no leeway around that. 

And there's also no logical reason why the website should be changed to mimic the ACC, but NOT Beckett. Both are considered the autority on the topic they chose. Why one over the other? Both have invented things to suit themselves, and both of them are followed by a whole lot of people- a lot more people than even know this website even exists. So why is one followed and not the other? There's no logical conclusion. 


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jstahl56101

Posts: 27
Joined: Oct 2015
Monday, February 25, 2019 4:46 PM

So Billy if someone asked you if you have T68 cards would you say yes or no?  or Give them a lecture on proper card titles. I am pretty sure you would say yes as not to insult who you are talking to (Well Maybe). and if you say yes, then you are fallowing the numbering also.

 

HMMM  something to think about.

 

Jeff

 


Edited on: Feb 25, 2019 - 4:56PM

   

jupiterhill

Posts: 1229
Joined: Jun 2013
Monday, February 25, 2019 5:41 PM

Again, as I'm not a big collector of older cards (if I had the money I probably would chase some), I can leave more of the debate up to you guys, but I noticed a couple things in your  post cnagle and it got me thinking.  You say Burdick has no copyrights and everything is in the public domain... cool!

Maybe a comprimise would be to add a search feature to the database that allows you to search by ACC#.  Then you could eliminate it from the set name but have it still searchable.  For example make it a "Note 3" type feature that only would be used for ACC set numbers.  Again this is under the assumption you can search by note which I think you can.

Again no dog in this race, but I think the idea would at least please most people since it would be searchable and stick to the original guidelines the Admin created.  I'm also okay with the idea of Admin posting a judgement on here and we can go from there, after all its his universe and we are just part of it. :)

cnangle wrote:

I was working on a reply to this thread, but I went to get a cup of coffee and my computer restarted because of an update. Probably a sign that I shouldn't of sent it anyway. I'm pretty passionate about pre-war stuff and I'm taking some of these comments personaly. A couple points.

  • Burdick and Becket are not the same. Read Burdick's intro to the ACC if you get the chance. The man "Collected for the love of the hobby". The ACC is a result of many years of working with other collectors to catalog and organize for the betterment of the collecting community. He had no desire to make money off it. To compare him to Becket.....crying
  • Burdick left his entire 300k collection and the rights to all his works to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. He also stipulate that his entire body of work must be placed in the public domain and made available for viewing/research. No copyrights.
  • On the card, the T206 series is titled "Base Ball Series" or "New Base Ball Series" depending on the brand, with 16 potential brands to include in the title....if we include brands in the title. Which we do. There is no referance to "American Tobacco Company" or "White Border" on any of the cards. There are numerous other sets also titled "Base Ball Series" from that era (T213 comes to mind right away).
  • The T68 (Heroes/Men of History) series is an iconic and popular non-sport set. In the vintage Non-sport community T68 is as recognizable as T206 in the sports world. I know that jasongerman9's comment was not meant to be an insult or disrespectful, but it does highlight a forum trend that makes it sound like TCDB "tolerates" non-sport collectors as long as they follow sport-card rules. Or tolerates the vintage collector as long as they follow modern card classifications. (sorry, I'm passionate about what I collect).
  • Not all sets have a name on the card or the packing they came in. See here for an example. There are many, many more just like that one.

Ignoring the insults (mostly the sheep comment) and the irreverent tone of Billy's post, I do agree him. The ACC # is not a title. If Admin was to add another data field to a set for the ACC that is searchable and also displayed with the set title, I would be all for it. A field like that would make my life on TCDB so much easier and would standardize how we list ACC #s.

To eliminate the ACC# though is ridiculous. All credibility would be lost and I would personaly leave TCDB to collectors of the "purple rainbow", "pink unicorn", or whatever parrallel set Pannini has you young whipersnappers chasing. (said with a smile on my face and a joke in my heart)

I was contemplating not posting this, but TCDB is my collecting home. Since I've retired, collecting cards is my thing, especially during Minnesota's long cold winters. And TCDB is where I spend my time (lots of tme). I've been a member for a long time; I've spent countless hours researching, editing, and uploading; I happily pay monthly dues; and (at least I hope) am a good trade partner. None of that makes me special...in my mind it makes me an average member. But I do believe it gives me the right to have my voice heard....

...so that's my voice.

 

 


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Billy Kingsley

Posts: 7512
Joined: Aug 2011
Tuesday, February 26, 2019 2:17 AM

I would have to ask them what set they refer to since I do not know or care what the numbers are. I've done it in the past already. And if it was another collector, they would indeed get the shpiel about why I don't use the numbers...if it's somebody trying to sell me something I generally don't bother. 


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VERY slow trading due to health problems. Not transferrable so safe to trade with, just moving is painful and can't always access the cards. 

Cardboard History  My COMC

New Collection Website: Cardboard History Gallery  (Still under construction)

Tips on how to make your scans look like the card does in hand (No more washed out, fuzzy scans!):

 


   

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