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So far I've found 3, That I have. The fronts don't match the backs.

Front is Carlos Perez,  Back is Randy Veres

Front is Charlie O'Brien, Back is Tony Longmire

Front is John Vander Wal, Back is Esteban Loaiza

Has anyone ever come across this? Dose anyone else have one or other is this set that the fronts and backs don't match. I think if there is more than one found, there would need to be error cards added to the listing of this set. I can't be the only one that has cards like this from this set and I still have to go through 2 boxes. So I may find more. If you find one post it here that way it will help to maybe make a list for them.

Wrong backs occur all over the place. Someone feeds a sheet (or 2 or 3) in for the other side the wrong way. I think just about everyone here has one or has had one at some point.

They still don't get catalogued here.

Devil's advocate here.....

Wouldn't this be a case of slippery slope if there are multiples of this card? I agree if it is a one-off, no logging it in here. To answer the question that was posed we have set a presidence for adding wrong backs if it was more than a one-off though. We recently went through this exercise with 2003 Topps Draft Picks #'s 1 and 5 and 89 Fleer has #'s 130 and 132. If no proof of this being systemic printing issue then no input, but if proof of multiples existing?

JIm, the examples you have provided are actually completely different animals.

1989 Fleer - They had completely botched the typesetting on the two backs. They put Brookens stats and name, but not the number, on Heath's card, and vice versa. They went back and fixed an issue in the typesetting/layout.

2003 Topps Draft Picks - They had reversed names in the foil typesetting. They went back and fixed an issue in the typesetting.

In neither one of those cases was it a printing glitch or misfire (misfeed). It was an actual problem with the way they set things up in the first place. The case of wrong backs is simply misfeeding a sheet (usually feeding the bottom in first instead of the top - think if you're trying to print on the other side of a sheet of paper in your printer, and you've fed it in the opposite way). The typesetting was correct, there were no changes in the production process. The same as when there are blank fronts and blank backs, it's a misfire, not a set up issue. And Admin has directed that these items are not listed here.

Dan, was just playing devil's advocate, but thank you for the clarification. That makes sense to me. Let's be thankful that the OP at least asked the question here instead of submitting an IR, or worse, edited the checklist to add them. Because that has NEVER happened here.....

Jim, I appreciate the opportunity to discuss the site policy and what constitutes a true variation versus a printing "glitch". No problem with anyone being "devil's advocate" when it brings about healthy, constructive discussion. I also appreciate RJ Smith doing this totally the right way by attempting to get a complete checklist before attempting to add anything to the checklists here.

I've worked on a print press and this "someone" feeds a sheet backwards is a laugh. This is a 1996 set not 1896. it all automated and the press runs with no one having to feeding sheet in it. If this was true, then the backs would also be inverted but they're not. hand feeding a printing press would also make the cards a lot more valuable because there would not be very many made in a years time. I have yet to come across any other card with a wrong back in any other sets. But now have 5 cards on this set and still have a 1/2 a box to go through. 

It would have to be the wrong screen in the rollers to make the back wrong. That is a printing error. 

That is why I asked if anyone has these cards that would make it a print run error and that falls into the error category.

here is a small printing press compared to what I used to work on. To show you the "someone feeding the press is the machine it's self. jump to 1:54 to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKbppE2W20

Not backwards. But just the wrong sheets going through at the wrong time will give you wrong backs.  And if you have 5 examples from one set, that definitely sounds like a printing glitch (wrong sheet(s) at wrong time). Wrong backs are quite common.  Ask some of the members who collect them; BOBSCARDZ, Billy Kingsley.

Say what you want. I'm done. The link speaks the rest for me.

https://www.tradingcarddb.com/FAQ.cfm?ITEM=WrongBacks

Take it up with Admin if you feel so strongly about it.

And I have seen (and sold) cards from other sets. It's not unique to this set.

Ok so it happens sometimes.

So how may here have them with this set? I've pulled 5 out of a box that holds a count of 950.  I don' know if there are 905 cards in the box it's not packed to the point of I can't move them but it's full. But 5 with such a rare thing to happen and none are the same. Plus the numbers span is 398 to 525 on the back. That tells me it's over one run when printing. Maybe this is a set it happened a lot to? The only way to find that out is for other to chime in and say what they have for this set.

I find it odd coming up on a year of going through a room full of cards, still on baseball just pasted the 2/3 mark on baseball cards alone. Not even getting to the football or hockey cards and in one box of one set I come across 5 cards in one box for this set alone and none of the other I've been through. I this set known for this? And it's not as rare for this set but is for other.