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jeffd1967
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Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:26 PM | |
I bought this set from an Ebay seller in Washington State. The saver book has Snyder's Bread on the front. All 28 team cards do not have a logo on the back. I know Snyder's Bread was based in Yakima, WA. How would these be listed in the database? I would assume that the cards did in fact come from Snyder's Bread loaves, but they are missing the logo on the back. The 1976 Sunbeam Die-Cuts have a set for no logo backs and with logos. Maybe the cards without logos were issued to many different bread makers. Options: List this Snyder's Set as a new one, or rename the Sunbeam no logo set as a General Die-Cut set without logos.
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C2Cigars
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Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:37 PM | |
Sounds similar to MSA products. A company could purchase promotional products from MSA with or without their logo/name. All the "blank" MSA products are listed as one set, not a parallel to any other "logo/named" set.
It states they were produced by A. Harris Assoc. Using the MSA analogy, then call the no-logo "A. Harris Assoc. Stand-ups". Since you have a wrapper that shows what the cards are called, maybe we need to change the Sunbeam set to "Stand-ups" instead of "Die-Cuts".
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spazmatastic
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Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:27 PM | |
My very first thought from the pics was that these are NOT die-cuts. After reading both posts, I completely agree with C2C's insight for these cards and the Sunbeam cards.
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C2Cigars
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Friday, October 18, 2019 6:31 AM | |
If Sunbeam and Snyder's were the only two brands that released these cards, and all the no-logo cards were released by Snyder's, then the no-logo set can be called "Snyder's NFL Stand-ups". But more research would need to be done into their release.
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C2Cigars
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Friday, October 18, 2019 6:36 AM | |
Will you be keeping the set complete? Or will you be willing to trade for the Oakland Raiders card?
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unkilldoo
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Friday, October 18, 2019 12:38 PM | |
If you do decide to break up the set. I'd be interested in the NY Jets card.
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jeffd1967
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Friday, October 18, 2019 12:48 PM | |
I will be keeping it complete. I will look through the other book I have and see if I have anymore cards without logos. Will someone be changing the name of the Sunbeam no logo set so I can go ahead and scan all of them in?
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C2Cigars
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Friday, October 18, 2019 1:15 PM | |
https://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewSet.cfm/sid/185767/1976-Sunbeam-NFL-Die-Cuts
An IR has been submitted to change "Die Cut" to "Stand-ups".
An IR will need to be submitted to have the "No Logo" listing moved and renamed. Question is, were no-logo cards released by Snyder's? Or do cards released by Snyder's have the Snyder's logo/name on the back? If no-logo cards were only released by Snyder's and Snyder's alone, then the set name can be "Snyder's NFL Stand-ups". If other companies also released no-logo cards then "A.Harris Assoc. NFL Stand-ups" would be a good name.
jeffd1967 wrote:
I will be keeping it complete. I will look through the other book I have and see if I have anymore cards without logos. Will someone be changing the name of the Sunbeam no logo set so I can go ahead and scan all of them in?
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jeffd1967
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Sunday, October 20, 2019 4:34 PM | |
Found this on Beckett.com " This 28-card set features standard size cards. The cards are die-cut so that they can stand up when the perforation is popped. The team's helmet, team nickname, and a generic player drawing are pictured on each card front. The card back features a narrative about the team and the Sunbeam logo. The cards were printed on white or gray card stock. The cards are unnumbered and may be found with or without the Sunbeam logo on the white stock version. A header card was produced announcing the 1976 season. There was also a card saver book issued. " I would change both set names to "Arnold Harris Associates NFL Stand-Ups Sunbeam Logo: and "Arnold Harris Associates NFL Stand-Ups No Logo". I believe the set I have that is in a Snyder's Bread saver book did come from Snyder's bread loaves, but it is difficult to prove.
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C2Cigars
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Sunday, October 20, 2019 5:11 PM | |
You have evidence that Snyder's also released these stand-ups. So Beckett's doesn't have all the information about these. I would not change the Sunbeam set name to A.Harris Assoc. Like I suggested, rename the "No Logo" parallel to A.Harris Assoc and move to a separate Food Issue listing.
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