2014 Leaf Legends of the Links Golf Forum

First off, this set (with it's insert set) was the only item in the "checklist needed" section for golf. Leaf's web site does not have a checklist. Good news, there were only 165 cases, with 12 boxes in each case - each box had 1 pack of 2 cards, one "base" card and 1 "insert" (scorecard). That leaves only 1,980 of each type of card, and with multiple of each, a checklist seems possible.

But then, I decide, I'll watch these box break videos to compile a partial checklist, and as others become known, we'll add them - like we were doing with the Buybacks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H9Mepp5gfg

OMG. What the holy heck just happened? I was watching with the volume off, so I don't know what the breaker was saying when he saw that dual auto of the Byron Nelson "AWAR" Winners. Ok, so, that's just a typo. I'll get by that, and think it's not a very professional job by this company, but let's see the scorecard. Who's on that scorecard? The PSA/DNA label says it is Craig Stadler & Guy Boros, but that signature on the "front" sure looks like Justin Leonard. Then he flips it over - sure enough, Justin Leonard's name is typed on the scorecard - it's his. And who is the scorer? Not Stadler or Boros. So, now the question is - With these kinds of problems with this product, is it even really a legitimate product?

 I couldn't bring myself to watch any others. I had already reached my cringe limit for the day.

Anyone want to take a stab at this mess?

Oh, and there don't seem to be card numbers for either "set".

I have been compiling a list of this set for about a month now to see if I could piece it together. I agree, it is a bit of a challenge.  So far, I have a list of 66 Cut Signatures and 34 Scorecards.  There are no numbers for this set.   I am estimating that I have only about 25% of the checklist figured out so far (based on the case count).  I was going to wait until I was able to gather more info before posting the checklist.  Thoughts on posting what I have now?  I have Level 8 permission so I can continue to add to the set as I find more.  

Jeff

But how do you list the scorecard that is clearly labeled by PSA/DNA incorrectly?

Upload what you have at this point. I added release notes similar to what we have in place for the buyback sets. We can add as we (more likely, you) find them.

It's releasing products like this that has made this new "Leaf" lose all credibility.

I'm not sure if this is really a Leaf problem at all. As far as the dual auto card goes Singh (2004) and Lehman (1996) are both Byron Nelson Award Winners. So as far as that card is concerned, I don't see any issues from Leaf or anyone else with that. It is exactly as listed.

The scorecard is another issue altogether. Clearly the scorecard is a Justin Leonard scorecard. It doesn't take any spectral ink analysis or electron microscope to make that determination. With as crappy as signatures are nowadays (look no further than the aforementioned Lehman and Singh examples) you don't even need an exemplar to make out the fact that the autograph says Justin Leonard (besides the fact that it's straight up typed on the other side of the card). But the fact it's labeled as a Stadler/Boros card is not, to my thinking, a problem with Leaf. I'm not advocating for Leaf one way or another. My issue, and it's one I've always had, is with PSA/DNA. Aren't they the ones that encased this card and labeled it this way? Here's the link to the item at PSA/DNA. Stadler/Boros Scorecard PSA/DNA authentication

Isn't this a PSA/DNA problem? To me it's these issues with PSA/DNA that make them lose all credibility. I'm sorry, but I don't understand the value in a third party evaluation of an item. It's still just an opinion (that you pay for). And as far as I'm concerned, it's things like this that chip away at the value of those opinions in the first place. I don't know how many times I've come across "mistakes" in PSA/DNA slabbed items. I've seen slabbed cards rated as 8's that clearly had a bend, crease, warp as soon as it was looked at from an angle. And that's through the slab. How much more obvious would that have been before being slabbed. I'm sorry but I don't put any more credence or confidence to an item's condition or authenticity if it resides in a third parties slabbed plastic case, especially PSA/DNA. I for one, will always use my own eyes and experience to make those determinations for myself. So where then is the value in PSA/DNA? To me it is, and always has been, a complete waste of money. From what I see here, this is a further example of PSA/DNA's incompetence and not any reflection on Leaf. 

Lerxst - you missed the typo - Awar winner - not Award winner.

And Leaf packed the thing out. There's no QC there. How the heck does that get out the door?

Edit: This is in reference to the Scorecard.

I guess I wasn't considering the typo. But again, the typo is from Beckett, not Leaf. Beckett (another of our fine 3rd party authenticators) is the one that encased that and bears sole responsiblity for creating that typo.

vrooomed wrote:

Lerxst - you missed the typo - Awar winner - not Award winner.

I added the checklist for the Cut Signature set with what I have found so far.  I will continue to research and see what else I can find.

And this just further reinforces my disdain for 3rd party authenticators. How the heck did that get out of PSA/DNA's doors? They accepted it from Leaf, examined it, authenticated it, put it in their database, and packed it all up in a nice tamper proof slab. Only it's all wrong. If you were Leaf and were paying for these services, wouldn't you assume the service you paid for was done correctly? If not, then why pay for the service in the first place? Again, I make no opinion on the quality, or lack thereof, of any Leaf product. I do however have an enormous problem with these other companies. And this is a simple item. What happens when they get something that has a history of counterfeiting and forgery. Why should I give any credence in their ability to authenticate a Babe Ruth signed item if they can't even get this right?

vrooomed wrote:

And Leaf packed the thing out. There's no QC there. How the heck does that get out the door?

Edit: This is in reference to the Scorecard.