1990 Bowman - Sweepstakes Baseball Forum

As far as moving collections, this is where things get real tricky. There are 351 members with at least one of these cards in their collections, 15 on want lists, and 62 with at least one listed on their FS/FT list. Obviously, I don't know which version(s) they have.

The procedure will be to:

1. Call the set already here one version (leave collection info there)
2. Create the other version (however that is done, whether it be VAR or another set)
3. Transfer any images for the VAR version to the newly listed cards
4. Blast out an e-mail to all those who have these in there collections

Hopefully, I can see if Admin can assist on #4. Otherwise, I'll be sending out a lot of PMs on here again.

So, Commish, in response to your specific request, we will not be able to handle that portion of the addition of these cards. Obviously, this applies to all members, not just you. Thanks.

I'm for one set with variations. I'm also the guilty party for submitting the IR, but please, no rotten eggs...

I'm good with Dan's approach above and if Admin can assist of #4 then great. I know Dan is good about giving the heads up email, but anything that makes it easier. Thankfully we are only dealing with 11 cards to do the collection verification once the change is made. Imagine if this was a larger set... Of course, I'm willing to bet several members have these cards buried away and might not be in the mood to dig them out to verify. Again, no rotten eggs please  

Yeah, I'm sure the best  for all will be done, that's what I'd do.

As for my request, yeah, it was in jest. I'm probably one of the few (or many?) that don't care about variations in my personal collection. I'm 99% about the front of the card and don't pay much attention to the back be it white, gray, blank, disclaimer, no disclaimer, copyright, no copyright, logo, no logo, English, French, Spanish, ERR, or COR. Even the front variations don't really matter to me. I question myself when I trade for a variation or the same photo from a different set such as some of the George Springer cards I have. Some are Topps, others Topps Opening Day, Topps Chrome, etc. I tend to go after whatever I can get the cheapest. I don't use that same logic when trading as I wish to make sure my trade partners get what they desire.

This is the easy one, wait until I get around to submitting IRs for the E sheet code variations for 91 & 92 Bowman BB.  Expecting rotten eggs.

ME, I don't really care how Dan and ADMIN catalog these variations. All suggestions are acceptable.

HOWEVER, since I do collect variations, and am always looking for new ones. ERRORS, VARIATIONS and the like must be part of the database, no matter how it is done. And we can't pick and choose, if * or ** are already cataloged, then all should be included. That's the fun of collecting, especially when long forgotten, inexpensive cards are discovered and the search is on. I still need that 1990 TSC Jamie Quirk variation that caused such a stir. lol.

Errors and variations questions appear +50% of the time in the forum. Collectors are interested. It would be an injustice to TCDB collectors not to have every error and variation documented. If you are not interested in this phase of collecting, don't look or read. There are many TCDB members that are avid collectors of errors and variations. I get requests daily, "Do I have.....>"

I think it behooves all the members, original members and ADMIN to take a new look at all error and variation cards. Revisit the criteria, make adjustments, make TCDB an all inclusive DB. I get the feeling talking to ADMIN and members in power, that we, TCDB members, are actually doing just that. Trying to make everybody happy.

Thank You, ~BOB~

Yes, Bob is spot on in his remarks. Admin (and crew) have been actively looking for methods for cataloging certain variants that have been discovered along the way. What is baffling to me is the fact that we are still discovering variations 20, 30, and even 60 years after the initial releases.

The intention all along was to catalog these * & ** versions. It was never an option (to me) NOT to. All I ask of the err/var collectors is patience as we get these sets and individual cards listed in the best way possible.

I know we had one request that these not be listed separately as they didn't want to potentially own 1/2 in one set and half in the other, and we had another member say that if it affects all the cards, it should be listed as a separate (parallel) set. This is where this complicates things. I looked at my set. It contains both types, but I don't have both versions for any one player (in the set - I may have them elsewhere). I am perfectly ok with having the two varieties in my set, without them being the same (or having both of each). But, it being a parallel makes perfect sense too. It just makes it difficult for me (and those who collect in the same manner) to determine if we have a "complete" set of one of each version. (Again, if I was a football collector and didn't care about the disclaimer backs, etc. that would be a very tough "set" to figure out.)

Thanks to all who have given their opinions. Please understand that if "your way" is not implemented, it doesn't mean it wasn't considered.

Listing them as a parallel set makes it VERY easy to find out how much of which version is in your collection. Listing them jumbled into one set means you will have no other option then to try and figure it out manually each and every time. If you miscount something, the screen moves, even if you just look at the wrong line by mistake, you'd have to start over, and that's if you notice you made a mistake. 

And if you accidentally click to add the wrong one to your collection, it causes an untold number of problems. I did that when I listed my NBA collection back in 2012. I spent five years trying to figure out what was wrong, where that card was, until I finally got the variation I didn't have but marked that I did. All because they were listed next to each other and I clicked the wrong box. That would not be a problem if they were not listed in one set. 

Finally, listing them separately would lead to being able to have a full gallery here of each. Mushing them together kind of inadvertently discriminates against variation collectors. 

FOLLOW UP

Admin guided me toward the 1990 Topps football sets, which were listed as separate entities. So, there is a new set in 1990 and a renamed set.

If you have an Art Insert card in your collection, you should check to see which version it is.

The original 'generic' set has become the "Art Inserts (One Asterisk)" set and a new "Art Inserts (Two Asterisks)"  set was added.

Back images in the original set that contained 2 asterisks have all been set up to move to the other set. Thanks to all!

An, thank you for your work on this one and to all for their input.