Card Identification Forum

Haven't seen any of these, but we've seen plenty of other instances of cards that have the wrong foil, or no foil, or foil when they shouldn't have had foil.

Trading Card Database does not catalog these types of errors, but that doesn't mean they aren't people who collect this type of thing. The problem with these: This could be the only one or it could be one of hundreds or thousands that got misfed or misstamped. No way of knowing.

But, yes, we all have seen this many times before, and that's what we all were trying to tell you from the very beginning.

Hi, Here is a foil and no-foil card of Herb Williams, I'm selling on eBay.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5575160137&toolid=10001&campid=5337834699&customid=&icep_item=122800908441&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg

Hey, I didn't post the topic bcz I thought it ought to be addressed in the Database. I hope you and Kingsley know I was feeling the waters on other collectors who might have ran across one after I couldn't find any other card like it online at any website like but not limited to; eBay, COMC, Leaf, Beckett and others. I know errors are galore in the 90's bcz of the massive productions runs of all the insert sets and parallels as well. I hope I didn't come off as being rude towards anyone on this site bcz everyone I've interacted with has been extremely nice and prompt to reply to messages and posts. 

I don't always have an internet connection and I live 15 miles from the University of Alabama here in Tuscaloosa. Verizon is a THROTTLING MOGUL & illegally so bcz I'm on the "Grandfathered Unlimited Data Plan" from 2011 & they are not supppse to legally slow me or disconnect. I pay more for it now Bcz I only have a phone for internet, hope wired comes soon to this area. So o mention this bcz I might not reply quickly or read alerts if the signal is lost on my end but I do reply to all and thoroughly as you can tell here LOL.. 

This website is awesome! The dedication of the senior members is 2nd to none. I hate Beckett, of  allowed to say that, bcz they RUINED THE HOBBY IN THE 90'S! They severely overpriced items based on chase subsets and parallels with pack, box and case odds of hits. I recall pulling a SHAQ Beam Team and a SHAQ & Hardaway Swish & Dish from the same box! Both were valued over $100.00 & I was offered $150 store credit if I gave them to the owner who was a big SHAQ fan. They have been in the offset screw downs since from the pack and now the GEM 10 is only about $30-50 which is crazy. I knew the Hobby Shops Owner outside of the Shop, he was a friend. He would have Beckett email him about cards he sold and what customers were willing to pay, usually paying about the middle figure between Becketts 2 price lines etc like that Beam Team being  $60 - $120 he would settle at $90 +/-. (Perhaps this isn't the place to write this but I want to see you and Kingsley reply)

Beckett just automatically placed prices on names, not card style or appeal either. They would be aligned with the retail pack or box prices too. Like if Finest BB was $5/ok with 5 cards then commons were $.50 or more. Then there are the electric silver, gold and bronze in some with sets and the inserts. PSA wasn't fully developed well enough back in 94 or 96 bcz I still have their forst population report guide he got from them. 

So, Beckett claimed to use sales prices to adjust the value and inflated them to degrees that are sickening. Although I never bought any cards that weren't in sealed packs or boxes, and I open 90% of them in the shop so to add sleeves, snap tites, screwdowns or toploaders on every card to some degree and I've only replaced sleeves & cases bcz of scratches to the faces of plastic cases or sleeves drawing up tight from a 5 degree difference in the climate controlled closet I stored all 60,000 & counting inside of. There are some Ultra Pro sleeves from the 90's that draw up really tight like the scratch stickers on Finest BB had.

I invested in the 90's with all cards being the high end of Hobby only items and as most of us know now, lost a lot of money in believing Becketts reports & prices. I wonder if anyone investigated them for being bribed to inflate the value of certain card companies? 

Sort of got way off topic but I wasn't asking about it being put into the database unless it's a known ERR or UER so to inform really. I have many cards with names missing & other odd items. I've never traded or sold a card either but that's gonna start soon. Disabled Vet/Civ income isn't glamorous but I'm blessed and the 80's cards are going to gain value soon bcz most my age, 45, are going to get the midlife crises thing and want things they had when younger. Then the 90's kids will too. That's why I have every card I ever bought or was given and I've given some to kids and family as gifts....

Have a blessed week guys and varoomed, I'm gonna send a pal request to ya too, Kingsley is one of mine from when I found yall couple months back. Hope this helps and doesn't mess up forum issues...

Great thing is you can pretty much say whatever you want here, just make sure you present facts that are true and don't pretend your opinions are facts and all is good.

You might want to peruse the forums here. A lot of what you mentioned has been discussed (at times, in great length) especially regarding investments and Beckett (in general).

As far as my reaction to your op-ed on Beckett artificially inflating prices, again, I'm not sure, so I can't say they did, or can't say they didn't. I do know we (Star Co) had a lot of trouble getting them to list our mid-80s basketball product, even though we were the only ones to have the NBA license for 3 seasons, simply because we didn't "pack out" the product. It wasn't until we finally packed out a product (1989 Minor League baseball Series 1) that they finally relented and the Star Co basketball in their monthly. And then they still couldn't bring themselves to saying that the Michael Jordan card in Star's set was the RC, they had to call it a XRC. But, none of that is about the prices they reported. As a monthly hockey subscriber (or purchaser at any one of several LCSs at the time), I saw how items were being listed (for hockey). We did get to the point where as soon as the new stuff was listed, we knew what the prices were going to be. Not because we had already purchased the item, but because it was a mathematical formula that could be used to determine their prices (looking primarily at a handful of players, not the entire league). Based on what I saw, I'd call bs on the prices that were reported or seen (they claimed to track ebay sales as well - no way - the purchases I made would have dragged those prices down - plus I saw what the other auctions were selling at). Plus, people were selling on the 1990s version of the Beckett marketplace at 50% BV. But we never saw those prices take effect. Maybe their numbers were coming from real sales, but maybe they chose to ignore lesser ones. This was almost 20 years ago, the Internet was still kind of new, so the idea of online sales (and no shop overhead) was new. I haven't bought a hockey Beckett in about 15 years. I don't knoiw the state of it these days.