2012-13 In The Game The History of Hockey Hockey Forum

Ok so here is the start of a lengthy thread, that by the end of it Admin might need to step in. This "set" is not actually a set but more a "collection". There is no base set in the sense that there are 100 cards, then parallels, then inserts, etc. This collection has four distinct parts, one is the Art Memorabilia, next is the Autographed Cards, then Rookie Cards and finally the ITG Buyback Cards. I am only talking about the Art Memorablia to start. The entire "collection" including this set, to me, is entered incorrectly plain and simple. Here are the details on this part of the "collection" that I have been able to digest so far .......

1. It is a collection of 4000 cards total, each card is encased with a sequential SERIES number.

2. Cards #1 to #40 - each card is hand painted by artist Jared Kelly and c/w a memorabilia patch of a player (most likely involved with the painting in some way) The artist has hand painted 10 copies of each number and since no two cards are identical each card has a SN of 1/1 on its case. Each one of the 1/1 has a SERIES number also on the case. So anotherwords, #1 has ten cards with the first listed as 0001/4000 through to 0010/4000, then we go to card #2. So using this pretty solidly researched theory card #40 would have a SERIES number from 0401/4000 to 0410/4000 with each card also listed as a SN 1/1.

3. Cards #41 - #80 - supposedly done by artist Mike James and as far a I can tell there are 10 cards of each number and they must be identical as they have a SN10. I would have to assume that they are lithographs of the original artwork but for this statement I can find no more information to confirm it 100%. So using the facts from above, card #41 should have a SN 1/10 through to 10/10 and a SERIES number of 0411/4000 through to 0420/4000 on their cases. Then continue using this method up to #80

4. Cards #81 to #144 - these are also artwork cards with a memorabilia patch but nowhere that I have looked, does it say as to who did them. Each of these cards have 50 copies, 40 Silver versions and 10 Gold. And again each card has its own SN and SERIES number. So as I can tell card #144 would have a silver version SN 1/40 through to 40/40 with Gold having SN 1/10 to 10/10. Of these 50 cards the SERIES number should be 3951/4000 to 4000/4000.

5. The cards themselves inside the case are NNO. ARGH!!

If you go to this set on the DB somebody has made an attempt to list it but either gave up or failed miserably, as its all over the place. How does one even begin to list this set?! Do cards 1-40 get a letter for each variation a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i and j ?!?!. I think the SERIES number was a way to stop needing the letters for variations. Give each card a number for the entire collection then there is never a need for the VAR letter. And this is just one 1/4 of the entire collection, just wait until you see the rest. ITG says that each section has 4000 cards with their own SERIES numbering and once you see what is in each section it is very easy to understand why.

Here is a link to ITGs description and checklists for the set ..........

http://www.itgtradingcards.com/products-lineup/history_of_hockey#!prettyPhoto[enable]/2/

And here is the blog of the President of ITG explaining the set himself. You may have to click a few different months to find all his info.

https://prezsez.wordpress.com/2012/07/

I have it starting in July and it has info right up til December for sure.

This is something that NEEDS to be addressed as there are card(s) that people are going to want info on, do I even dare make any decisions or do we have Admin look it all over first?! It is a huge task here for sure. Case and point ITG has my Ranford card as #3094 and the DB has him as #2469 and I have NO CLUE why!?

Thats how I have spent my weekend people how did you enjoy yours?!?! =/

Serial numbering is all done on the slabs, right? So if a card is ever freed, there is no means of identifying it?

I despise issues like that.

I'm thinking that however you decide to do it will be better than it is now, but still there may be no real ideal way of doing it.

Pure lunacy on their part. Typically I would say they should be numbered here based on the number on the card, but this is far from a typical set. Actually, this could make great use of the new feature where repeated card numbers don't get a letter suffix in the field. You could have 1. Pavel Bure Note1 VAR Note2 0001/4000 on case. Repeat this ten times for him (i just used Pavel's name as an example). Then go on to Card 2 and give it ten lines, and so on. With click and drag, and concatenate, you wouldn't really do as much typing as it sounds like. [Typed from my phone, so apologies for bad spacing and lack of paragraphs]

Am I missing something here?  Almost all of these cards are buy backs from various years and card companies. They've slabbed them, put their personal label on them, and are reselling them. Some have been altered with autographs and slabbed. They're not all ITG original new cards.

I know what my solution will be....don't buy any. Only 15 more days until opening day...

Yes Vroomed you are absolutely correct, you bust it out and for all intents and purposes it is a useless card based on ITG's thinking anyway. I do like your train of thought Switzr that was what I was thinking exactly. And yes Cigars 12000 of the 16000 cards are simply a rip off by ITG to make a "High End" collection. You are paying for nothing more than a graded auto or graded rookie (all be it some very fine cards with value in their own right) and a VERY expensive slab!! The ITG buybacks IMO are just cards they couldnt sell in the first place so let's slab em all pretty like and call it a "collection". Lots of reviews for this set are VERY bad, for the exact same purposes we are discussing. BUT .... there is always a BUT ...... it IS on the DB and for that reason it must be cataloged as correctly as possible.

...or removed from the database.

ranfordfan wrote: Yes Vroomed you are absolutely correct, you bust it out and for all intents and purposes it is a useless card based on ITG's thinking anyway. I do like your train of thought Switzr that was what I was thinking exactly. And yes Cigars 12000 of the 16000 cards are simply a rip off by ITG to make a "High End" collection. You are paying for nothing more than a graded auto or graded rookie (all be it some very fine cards with value in their own right) and a VERY expensive slab!! The ITG buybacks IMO are just cards they couldnt sell in the first place so let's slab em all pretty like and call it a "collection". Lots of reviews for this set are VERY bad, for the exact same purposes we are discussing. BUT .... there is always a BUT ...... it IS on the DB and for that reason it must be cataloged as correctly as possible.

LOL very true Cigars .......... like I said I will probably let Admin tell me how to proceed, ITG has never done any other sports have they? If not boy are you guys lucky!!! And so you know Leaf has bought them out as of 13-14 (I think) so the misery does end I think!

Worst case scenario for this "set":

4,000-card set, each card listed individually, 1 to 4000. OUCH!

Could have a list of "sets" that just have a description of the set but don't try and assemble a checklist? Some sort of Knockoffs, re-brands, counterfeit, and con-jobs list? Like those stupid Gem Collection 1 of 1 cards.
Maybe that's too confusing. But it would give a place to give information on these types of things and maybe a loose list of known examples. Particularly with things like ACEO cards that have become "popular" on eBay.