well said reakins, and I do believe that would be Admins train of thought as well, we have had our discussions in the past but I no longer hold a grudge because Admin did make thier points and opinion on the topic. For me it is now about quality, hell some of mine probably still get a frown from time to time, who knows. I have had a good couple of private chats about this as yes it all comes down to personal choice but in the end its the site guidelines that need to be follwed. This has been a very good thread to read. =)