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I doubt anyone won anything or lost anything here CAD. They just didn't fit the TCDB outline. Nobody "won" anything here. If you feel like you lost something, I can understand that b/c you spent the time adding them to the site. That is why it's best to consult the forum or Admin before adding anything that might not be accepted.

For the record, I had nothing to do with ANY of the Tarot cards being removed! I didn't IR them and I wasn't any part of the team that got them removed. I haven't dealt with IR's for over a month now and I haven't reported anything for about the same amount of time. I've been too busy with my own life stuff to do more than comment in threads for many months now.

I refrained from getting involved in the discussion about the Tarot card entries because I knew the eventual outcome even though I disagreed with the decision.  A member obviously collected these CARDS as a collectible and wanted them on the site where all other CARDS of known existence are catalogued.  But because so many were against it because they don't care to collect these CARDS, they used the rules to the letter of the law to enforce their wishes against one member. And yes, they won.

I don't agree with everything that does or doesn't end up being listed on this site. I definitely don't agree with a set now being over 2200 cards because some people collect versions of a card with or without a ".".  Really? I mean REALLY? And no, I don't collect Tarot cards.  But someone, or some members, do collect Tarot cards and VAR with or without a ".".  Does it make a difference to me (or anyone else) if they are listed? The Tarot cards don't as they donot get in the way of any other set that I might be trying to enter.  Unlike some who ask others to do all the work for them, the individual who loaded these into the site did all the work himself so who did he really bother? The VAR with the "." or not "." actually do bother me more because now I have to navigate theough a ridiculously large set that is actually really two sets of 700+ cards in it. But because some wanted it this way, the rest of us now have to live with it. 

I used to contribute more to this site but in the last year plus, I stopped most contributions because of these types of arguments, be it over the inclusion of a whole set or a scan that was 0.1 degrees out of alignment. I don't care to be the next individual raked over the coals because I did something that others thought was poorly done or outright wrong. I also know I am not the only one who has reverted to this approach.

So yes congratulations to those who did win and yes, Happy Collecting.

I don't agree with what Bruno posts very often, but that is spot on. Being historically accurate no longer is the driving force of the website, now we are making stuff up that doesn't exist, ignoring things that do exist, and putting parallels into base sets mostly due to the anti-parallel bias that is pervasive in the hobby. And that's just what I've noticed. Since I've been working on my own website and spending less time here I have probably missed stuff. 

I've stopped working on IRs unless they directly affect my collection or I'm bored waiting for an upload to finish or don't have enough time before something I'm waiting for to start something important. 

It goes w/o saying that there will always be advocates on both sides of the "proverbial line in the sand, no different here. Not everyone is in agreement 100% of the time, i.e. human nature. In the end however there must be a "final decision" rendered and like it or not we must move on unless sufficient evidence is provided to overturn. Err/Var is an area where likely most here are divided. Some are perhaps innocent in nature, i.e a "one-off" while others (Donruss '91 Baseball for e.g.) are a totally different kettle of fish as some have previously eluded to. The one area of concern is now everytime a new var/err over an entire set causes a lot of work for those who wish to abide and if you don't then your lists are no longer likely valid causing some consternation for some members. Discussion and debate is healthy and we ought to not lose site of the basic fact that we are just members and not "owners" and try to move forward as best we can.

I feel the need to address a couple points here.

I cannot speak for all members here, but personally, I do not do anything here in a vacuum. Any time we have major revisions to sets because of EER/VARs and the like, I consult Admin prior to making any changes. Sometimes, it requires research prior to contacting Admin, however, just because I've done a little research, doesn't mean I have to actually do anything with it (except let Admin know the findings).The 87, 88, & 91 Donruss additions, no matter what the opinion is on them, were done using the method Admin requested. As far as I know, Admin was also involved with getting the disclaimer backs listed. And I know I also contacted Admin regarding those * or ** Bowman art inserts.

Also, the same applies to any item removal. For example, the tarot decks that are at the heart of this post had to be reported first, though the IR system. Then, a member had to mark them as "Admin Needed", as there were images and collection info - not even the Level 8s can remove a set that has that amount of information. The removal of these sets required Admin to examine them, and decide whether they met the guidelines the site has for set inclusion. There are many other sets that have been reported that probably don't belong here. Admin will do what he feels suits the site the best. No one wins. No one loses.

I was pretty much just about to type what amounts to Dan's entire second paragraph. Things like this (especially since they would have been entered as "base" sets) cannot go anywhere unless ADMIN removes them. This is ADMIN's world, we just enjoy living in it.

Ok first off, CAD that was an interesting way to start and finish a post. I agree with both sides .... yup. But with (no pun intended) my own variations. Do one or two * need to be listed, not gonna say as its not my place. Should crooked scans be replaced, yup, as its something I like to see, should Tarot cards be listed, don't care as I do not collect them. Am I here on borrowed time, cant answer as I am not all knowing. Is this my site, no its some guy/girl whos likely much richer than I oh and smarter.

My point is people, the world is spirialing down the toilet bad enough that does it really matter THIS much about. End of the line is its not OUR site and we only wander around in here either feeling gratitude for existence or that this is a place for nerds.

I had one tiff with reakins once and realized that is was not worth it after about a week and apologized. Now I get it.