2020 Topps Update Baseball Forum

I read through the whole thread and I don't want to pile onto what has already been discussed and debated, but just wanted to add that one of my biggest frustrations as an L8 is when someone creates a checklist and doesn't make sure all of the teams or player IDs are correct, then they copy that incorrect checklist to 20 parallels, so now the people with the proper permissions have to go back and fix 20 different checklists every time there's an error. Every time a new football checklist is added and it has both Josh Allens (the Buffalo QB and the Jacksonville LB), it means we have to go through and fix every insert and parallel that wasn't set correctly when the checklist was first uploaded.

All the L8s are asking for is that anyone that wants to help the site and upload checklists please make sure everything is correct and as complete as possible and think about the whole site of users, not just a personal collection. As someone that works on the IRs, I've seen many requests where an insert or promo is missing and the request is "You're missing A-7. Add it." ... with no request to add A-1 through A-6, no info on how many cards there actually are (is there an A-8? A-9? A-10? A-20?) ... and that's where the frustration sets in, but the other users see this as "oh those Admin defenders are pissed off at us again". I think it's eventually going to get to a point where the IR resolvers just start resolving out incomplete requests without action, and that isn't helping the site either.

It's been mentioned a few times, but this is a crowd-sourced site, just like Wikipedia. People that enjoy collecting are volunteering their time to help the site, but there are plenty of opportunities for others to help. If you don't want to do new checklists or scans, there's so much else to do! There are plenty of names that can be updated to match what's listed on the card (e.g. changing "Alex Ovechkin" to "Alexander Ovechkin"). There are missing links on thousands of profiles (and each link earns you a point...hint hint). There are mixed profiles where cards belong to a different profile (or a missing one). There are college multi-sport sets where the wrong college team ID is assigned (football and basketball are all mixed up). There are "Current Roster" sections for each team, many of which are outdated and missing players. There are IRs and image approvals. Find what interests you (like BOB with the Fleer stickers) and help out however you can! If you avoid the 2020 and 2021 checklists because they're constantly updating, look for something older that we know (hopefully) isn't changing anymore and you can help out there.

Not sure what else to add, but there's still 2 more hours of sunlight, so I'm done here.

I haven't spoken up on this yet and since I like long form writing, THIS IS THE THREAD FOR ME! Before I continue I will admit I am an L8. Despite the funny thread a few months ago about having wild parties, all it really means is that as a member of the site I've worked on improving the site by working on different facets and the Admin has gave me more permission to work on more.  To someone like me, it means that Admin has confidence in me that I won't screw up (at least too badly) and if I do, will be quick to correct it or ask for help to correct it.  When I joined the site 7 1/2 years ago, things were different, not as many members and a lot less hostility.  I don't blame the new members for that of course, I blame the world.  I've become hostile with certain members on here as well but usually I try to see both sides of an argument or whatever is ruffling feathers because I'd rather come to this site to escape the World and hostility.

All that being said, I think I see where both "sides" are coming from in this thread.  L8's demand that if you want to help the site out, do it as complete and accurate as possible without creating more work.  Simple enough, I can agree with that.  Newer members or those who haven't reached higher levels don't want to be called out when they try to contribute to the site.  Also very simple, and something I can agree on.

Trying to keep this short and simple, L8's want the same thing everyone else wants, to get the most out of the site without cleaning up.  Those not at L8's don't want to be called out whenever they make a mistake.  Airing grievences is sometimes good but at what cost?  Losing potential new members or long standing members will hurt the site more than anything,  Let's hope nobody else leaves the site, and we can work together to make this a better site.  HOW?  If you want to help the site go to the bottom of the page and look at THINGS TO DO.  You'll find many things you can do to help the site, find something you're comfortable at and start there.  As you get better and more confident at the nuances of the site maybe find something else to work on.  If you make a mistake be quick to correct it, or ask for help in correcting it.  My favorite things to do are Team Validation and Missing Teams. New things to do are added all the time, so helping out any way you can is greatly appreciated.

Thank you Jenny for trying to steer this tread back into a learning one and hopefully it descalates the tension.  Jimetal7212 I think answered your question on how it would be easier, but I will add this, checklists from other sites are mostly not formatted the same as this site, so while you can copy from another site, its more than just copy and paste and add to the site.  When I work on things outside of cards, sometimes I find it easier to start from scratch again instead of building what I have done so far (advanced online Sukoku frustrates me, but I'd rather start over then removes all the potentially wrong numbers).

While I don't like the hostility of this thread, I do enjoy ones that people can learn something.  I hope people learned something from this one.