1993 Stadium Club Football Forum

I have a Todd Gurley card that is missing all the writing off the front. I got told on here that its a production error ect ect cant list it on here. 

So i contacted panini and got an answer. The first so many sheets to there knowledge had no foil applied - they realised and stopped production and corrected it.

They asked me if i wanted to send it back to them for something else, i said of course you can serial number it 1/1 and get him to sign it then send it back to me. Didnt hear back from them lol...

So i guess its just another missing foil card according to people on here, untill a few more pop up and people will charge out the ass for them. 

Thanks Matey,  Good info. 

I'll have to check my notes tomorrow.  I think it's easier to tell from the backs, bolded font on one under 'Career History' (?) and not on the other that affected justification/line wraps IIRC.  Not all cards had front border differences that year.

As far as what it sells for, I agree with your thoughts, but some sites/grading companies use price difference as part of their "rules of recognition".  If they recognized the variation, there could be significant prices differences in GEM MT between the two.  Say,  in the factory set it was on the front/back of one of those tightly wrapped cello bricks Donruss liked to use in that era vs wax.  The possibility of perfect corners would be significantly different and, especially for graded player collectors, top grades of the more difficult would certainly see price disparities aligned with difficulty.

Part of my master plan is to get some more of those that align with Admin's definitions, since that's the rules I accept to play by as part of this community, added to the site.  I just want to make sure I have clear scans of both variations ready for a set before requesting.  Also it would be an awesome improvement to have a 3rd scan field for 'VAR zoom' to display a close-up of both/all variations together that shows how to differentiate.

Holy smokes. The lid got blown off this thing, and that was not my intention. So I'm going to make a lengthy post here, and then I'm going to shut up about it, because I believe that all of us, or at least most of us are probably tired of going in circles, one way or another.

Item #1 - the card itself. I posted the question because after the last discussion, I became aware of the "exceptions" made by Admin. In order to get some clarification on that, I thought this would be a good one to ask on - obviously, it seems to be an exception to site guidelines, but I was hoping to get clear public confirmation on that. Part of the reason I post questions on forums is so that the information is out there for others to use as well.

Item #2 - my poor example of using damanged 2001 Topps Ichiro cards. The point I was trying to make was that we don't know if a card was damaged, intentionally mis-printed, or mistakenly mis-printed. In an era of cards that are famous for sticking together, it's hard to say what definitively happened without knowing for sure. If the logic exercised here is good enough to determine that it was missed, and then corrected, that's fine. But if you want 100% certainty...good luck. That was my point, which was presented awfully.

Issue #3 - inclusion of errors/variations/printing/whatevers. These don't matter to me. They aren't part of my collection. I understand that for some, they are a very integral part of their collection, and that's great. No one should ever be met with hostility, indifference, or any other negatory reaction towards their collection. However, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. To try and physically include every ink smudge, ink fade, weak foil edge, whatever the case may be, well, it just won't happen. You couldn't do it. You could try and get as close as possible, but when you keep adding card after card and all of the sudden there are 264 variations of 1984 Topps card #337, is that really doing this website and hobby a justice?

Issue #4 - this piggy-backs off of #3. Please note, I am not specifically pointing fingers at anyone here. Not a single person in particular. Rather, I feel this applies to everyone. Because there has to be some sort of limit, set by the Admin of the site (Admin), there will always be people who are unhappy. I would love to catalog the pocket schedule collection I've been building since 2007 on here. Admin said no, with some exceptions, so I must comply. If you feel that you can truly not live without documenting every single thing in your collection without some issues, this may not be the site for you. Admin has provided some work-arounds, as Bob has started discovering in another forum thread (adding your own image to your collection, as well as others). We won't all be happy all of the time (there is no way in the world 8x10 team photos should be considered trading cards, in my humble opinion, but they're here) and it can be frustrating. But unfortunately that's how it goes. The good news is that Admin is very receptive to ideas and constantly evolving this site to suit as many people as possible, so the "boundaries" of inclusion can always change as time goes on!

Issue #5 - last one, I promise. I am in agreement that the site guidelines and rules should be easier to access. If we could find a way to a) make a nice, comprehensive list/document regarding numbering, checklists, names, teams, etc. like some members did with notes (right now, it seems like those who message Admin have a knowledge of a certain way that they want things done, which is great, but until confusion is cleared up and those guidelines are public knowledge [I'm referring to things like the naming of League Leader cards from Topps] we will continue to have problems) and b) a way to distribute those, or make them very visible and easy to find for members, things would be a little bit better for us. The only suggestion I can think of right now is perhaps a monthly newsletter with those links in the email? I'm sure someone can come up with a better suggestion. We have so many new members joining us so frequently, and many are eager to contribute, that having that information easily accessible may be very beneficial.

Okay. Rant is over. I'm leaving my card in question in the box and catalogued as is. My speech is over and I'd be happy to answer any questions about stuff that I've mentioned here via message, but let's try not to bury any more threads rehashing arguments. If you've read this far, kudos.

Jason

Jason - thanks for being the claming voice of reason. You have made some excellent points, and even touched on a couple points that I have discussed with others privately (the newsletter type thing).

Billy - I have many things on my plate already, as I'm trying to wade my way through the Stickers and few other things (as well as keep the IR at a minimum for others). I really do plan on getting to the baseball Donruss factory set variations. I know there are a couple IRs in right now for the 1991 set. I have an unopened factory set here as well as my hand-collated from packs. It'll be a matter of time and keeping them separate! But these do exist, it is known, and it's a definite setup difference. The way the site is set up we cannot discern between the 2 in certain years as the only difference was the orientation of the back, but that will need to be Admin's call on the method of handling those.

Kyle - That's what we have Note2 for - descriptions for the differences. I think the field can handle 255 characters, so we have enough room to REALLY describe the differences.

Well, we really can't tell the difference between glossy parallels and standard via scans, but those are documented here with no fuss. The input of the person tracking their collection has to require SOME thinking.

But the card I'm referring to...it's not back that's different. It's the border on the front. One the one posted here, the black border is on the top left and bottom right. On the version I have, the black border is on the top right and bottom left.

I know exactly the set you're speaking of. We definitely need to get them on here. Maybe for the ones where it's simply the orientation, we get Admin ot COMPLETELY copy the set, checklist and images. Next chance I get, I'll add these to my "sets that need work" list on here.

This was an extensive thread to read after Hurricane Michael knocked me offline for a week, but I do have info to offer.

I know exactly what Billy is talking about with the '88's too.

But more interesting is that I just sorted a complete opened factory set of 1991 Donruss MLB last night from my huge auction score. I'd be happy to add any and all scans needed if there is a separate listing added for factory vs. retail. Just LMK Dan!