1998-99 Pacific Dynagon Ice Hockey Forum

Anyone else?

Necrobump.

Was wondering about these plates that are listed in here (as front/back) on this set but not the other sets. To my knowledge, Pacific plates did not exist in the secondary market until after Pacific's inventory auction was held when they went out of business. After that auction was when all of the plates from their previous release and the un-numbered and "proof" versions of parallels became available to the public.

I remember when the auction happened and when the cards first hit ebay. I even had gotten ahold of some of the "first wave" lots which were all un-numbered parallels. It was at that same time the plates had started to show up, various front and back plates for various players. Even for "bums" (aka common, no value players). One of the old sellers from back then ended up changing names over the years and is still active to this day in selling plates... although now they have moved beyond the Pacific items to having 1992-3 Pro Set football, Edge football, 93 Classic Draft to more recently having Conlon and Ted Williams plates.

None of the Pacific plates I have seen (after auction to today, including the more recent ones posted above) are "colored" like the plates you'd see in a retail product like Upper Deck or Topps. They are all the same color (a blue/gray) and nothing on the back. I'd have to check the ones I have but I believe that none are reverse image.

It is my opinion that any of these plates are to be considered back-doored products. The same as un-numbered parallels or proofs. Whether you want to track them on this database is up to you guys. If you do want to track them, I can post which other plates I have so that checklists can be built.

Personally, while I do keep my "back door items" in my PC with everything else, I know where they came from and have no expectations for them to be added onto this site.

There's definitely a glut of plates on eBay that are fakes (especially from a couple obvious sellers) or back-doored.  Some of these are easy to identify because the seller offers just one color and has a ton of stuff from one or two products.

Besides those, in terms of the discussion here, I'm skeptical of most plates that don't have some kind of identifying label on the back, that aren't listed in pack odds, or aren't listed in something like Beckett's OPG, if they were made before 2000.

Fake azz Pacific plates piss me off. As mentioned, one or two sellers seemed to have produced a bunch of these from defunct companies starting about 10 years ago. Now they're just out there confusing everyone. In '98 these would have been a big marketing point, no way they would have been a "surprise" IMO either. If they weren't in release notes/pack odds/period published checklists I'd say they're garbage. Just my opinion but also fact. They enrage me. 

Why are they still listed in the database?  They should be removed.

We need 1 IR for each set.

IRs submitted.

3 of the 8 had collection info, and will need Admin to do the final approval, but the other 5 should be gone now.

I think I have a few questionable Pacific plates in football and hockey and can remove them from my collection if it makes it easier to get the checklists deleted.

Please report them through the IRs and then check the collection summary - if you're the only one with collection info, please remove it. If there is even one other member, no need to waste your time as it will still need Admin to do the final approval.