1991-92 Lime Rock Dream Machines Non-Sport Forum

My son collects mainly auto-related cards. He got on this site, logged in the cards he could find and asked me about a few he could not. I told him that some were not yet added because they were unknown but being a level 8, I added those I could. It included this card - 

On the back, it is exactly like this card https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/380042/cid/22193015/1991-92-Lime-Rock-Dream-Machines---Promos-6-Ferrari-Monza-1954?PageIndex=1. I had added it as a promo to the 1991-92 Lime Rock Dream Machines set but did not add an image. Without asking about it, someone had it removed from the site and added my son's collection to the 1931 Ford Sedan card (!?!). Considering I have been a member for several years, one might have thought to ask why I had added it as a separate promo. But I am used to the ways of the site members now so no surprise.

As it is, there are probably other cards with the same stamp on it for the 12th National Sports Collectors Convention. I see 15th Convention in 1994 has its own set under Multi-Sport. Either a set is added for the 12th Annual... though getting a complete checklist of an unknown # of cards will be difficult or this card is added as a promo to the the original set which I already know the negative answer this will receive.

On an aside, I ask once more when anyone is questioning why a card is on this site, take the time to contact the one who entered it...oh forget it, I know this plea will land on deaf ears.

Looking at the history, it looks like a simple mistake was made when transferring collection info and it should've gone to #6 instead of #1. The users involved saw the two standalones #1 and #6, noticed there was a full 6-card set and created it, then the two standalones were consolidated into the full 6-card promo set, as any of us would've done if we had seen it. The only accident here was the transfer of your son's collection info to the wrong card.

I would not have added another single promo if the card had been the same as the one already listed. I have been around long enough to know to look before creating.  I am not a rookie here.

I kind of looks like the existing "Holographic Foil Stamped" set should have "Inside Trader" in the name.  Then this card would be in another Corporate Sponsor foil stamped promo set.  The existing "Promo" set appears to be 'unstamped' versions of this set, and the existing 'unstamped' set should be Unstamped Inside Trader.

Is there any evidence that the other five "Corporate Sponsor" promos exist?  If there was any mistake on your part, Bruno, it was listing your card without verifying the full checklist.

I can agree with you Lea though many Promo cards are issued individually which is why I had listed as a single. I have no idea if the other 5 were also issued as a Convention Promo or if the Convention used a sampling of other cards from other manufacturers in their promotion of the show.

It would require someone who was around in 1991 and went to the show to remember what promos were issued at that show. Then a decision would need to be made whether it is an insert set from the base set (I don't see it as being such now), or if it requires its own listing as a set from the 1991 National Sports Collectors Convention.

This is an example of a card we know exists yet may never be listed on the site because we will never know if there are more cards to make it a set or if it is a singular card handed out at the Convention. We are all well aware of the differing opinions on the creation and listing of a checklist for sets that are not 100% defined.

Or one could take a minute to type Dream Machines promo into the eBay search bar and see that they exist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134843191960

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126326116469

Five of the six are readily apparent in the "Corporate Sponsor" version.  I think it is safe to say they made the Mercedes one too.

Ok, so do they go as a stand-alone set or an insert set? They were not inserts as far as I know.

The section is called "Inserts and Related Sets".  I think the "and Related" part is just as valid as the "Inserts" part.

Another type of set in the Related section is "Promo".

The set has now been added with checklist. Thanks Lea for finding and confirming that the Corporate Sponsor set issued all six cards from the Promo set. I agree it is a related set but the site has so many sets that are related to other base sets yet are listed on their own, it is difficult to know when to list this way. Here are 3 sets that are similar to the Lime Rock Promo set I questioned yet are listed as 3 separate listings, not as related sets.

https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/76926/1991-Score-All-Star-FanFest

https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/76927/1991-Score-12th-National-Sports-Collectors-Convention?PageIndex=1#5517630

https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/204462/1991-Score-National-Candy-Wholesalers-of-America-(N.C.W.A.)-Summer-Convention?PageIndex=1#13038583

I am sure someone will explain why these are listed separately while the Lime Rock set is a Related Set to the its base set but in my mind, this example is the same. Two conventions used an already issued set (no doubt with the original company's permission) to issue their own set as a Promo to their convention. There are many other examples of such variance in listings on the site, it is why finding a card is best done by a search by a player name and then card #. Looking for a set is a Trial & Error exercise.

Again, sincerely, thanks Lea.