Colorado Springs Sky Sox Forum

Can someone refresh my memory on how teams that are revived are handled?  How are re-affiliated teams TIDs handled?

From Wikipedia:

From 1950 to 1958, the Colorado Springs Sky Sox were a Class A affiliate of the Chicago White Sox in the Western League. The Sky Sox's nickname originated with their affiliation with the White Sox. The Pikes Peak region was without professional baseball for 30 years until 1988, when the Hawaii Islanders of the PCL relocated to Colorado Springs and became the second incarnation of the Sky Sox. From 1988 to 1992 the Sky Sox were the Triple-A affiliate of the Cleveland Indians. When Denver was awarded a major league franchise for the 1993 season, the new Colorado Rockies arranged for the Sky Sox to become their top farm team.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?city=Colorado%20Springs&state=CO&country=US

Are these Sky Sox teams 1 (all years), 2 (1950-1958 & 1988-Present), or 3 (Chicago White Sox A affiliate, Cleveland Indians AAA affiliate, Colorado Rockies AAA affiliate) TIDs?

The affiliation is irrelevant.  Player Development Contracts are in 2 or 4 year terms nd can change at anytime.  I don't see any reason to seperate the two incarnations.  Same city, same nickname.

The problem is having two teams with the same names in different cities.  i.e. Burlington Bees existed in both Burlington, IA and Burlington, NC or Springfield Cardinals.

FWIW, the Sky Sox will most likely not exist after 2018.  They will move to San Antonio for the 2019 season

You are wrong about the Burlington Bees. They never existed in Burlington, NC. The NC team has ONLY been the Indians and the Royals. Affiliates and team name are the same for their entire existance (1985-present). You are confusing the Burlington Indians link of the IA team long before the NC team existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Bees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Royals

OK, that answered the affiliation question.

How about the Class A 1950-1958 vs Class AAA 1988-Present (or 1988-2018) eras?  Are those supposed to be different TIDs?

All of this stems from the 1952 Globe Post set.  I was going to assign those players to the single Colorado Springs Sky Sox team that exists, but didn't want to do it if someone was going to have to go back and revert all of my changes later.

I don't know if it matters or even if it is correct in its own sense, but we only have one Cleveland Browns TID. Situation here seems similar to that, but maybe it depends on if Sky Sox II kept the history of Sky Sox I. I'm not sure what site protocol is here.

The Burlington Bees existed between 1945 and 1951 in Burlington, NC.  They may not have any cards here, but they certainly existed.  I was just using it as an example.

Yep: http://www.baseball-reference.com:8080/register/team.cgi?city=Burlington&state=NC&country=US

Splinter_9 wrote:

The Burlington Bees existed between 1945 and 1951 in Burlington, NC.  They may not have any cards here, but they certainly existed.  I was just using it as an example.

spazmatastic wrote:

You are wrong about the Burlington Bees. They never existed in Burlington, NC. The NC team has ONLY been the Indians and the Royals. Affiliates and team name are the same for their entire existance (1985-present). You are confusing the Burlington Indians link of the IA team long before the NC team existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Bees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Royals

Splinter_9 wrote:

The affiliation is irrelevant.  Player Development Contracts are in 2 or 4 year terms nd can change at anytime.  I don't see any reason to seperate the two incarnations.  Same city, same nickname.

The problem is having two teams with the same names in different cities.  i.e. Burlington Bees existed in both Burlington, IA and Burlington, NC or Springfield Cardinals.

FWIW, the Sky Sox will most likely not exist after 2018.  They will move to San Antonio for the 2019 season

Thanks for teaching me something guys. I never knew that Burlington had a Carolina League team. Now I wonder where they played. The stadium is certainly LONG gone! I know that Burlington Athletic Park was built in 1985 for the Indians team of the Appy League. There is no other stadium in the entire county that isn't for a high school and all that classify as a "stadium" are just for football.

No one ever talks about an older team being in the city. Of course the Bees existed 30 years before I was born, but no one mentions the other teams either. That's just odd since they had several winning seasons over those years.

Bumping this because I'm not sure I got closure on whether or not 1950-1958 and 1988-Present teams should be considered different or the same.

My opinion is Same.  Nobody ever agrees with me on this issue though.